This will be the page for comments about the OI. It has been uploaded to this page.
The SET team will be taking suggestions on any revisions that is needed.
OI looks AWESOME! I did notice a mis-spelled word though (I can't remember which page).
-C/CMSgt Faulks
I think something that should be known is the definition of leadership. This is defenetly benificial.
-C/TSgt Brown
The definition of leadership is already in the OI. I will be posting the OI on the SET page soon.
-C/1st Lt Woods
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I have a recommendation for all staff members.
Since we will be on an actice duty Marine base for encampment, I recommend that if you do not already know active-duty Marine Corps ranks (officers, warrant officers, and enlisted), you need to start learning them before the encampment. I also advise learning Navy active duty rank as well, as I know of Naval personnel working on Marine bases.
Camp Lejuene is home to the 2nd Marine Expeditionary Force (2nd MEF). This is a major part of the branch, so its very likely to spot a variety of rank. The officers should be easy (they have the same look as the Air Force), but as for enlisted insignias, your pretty much guarenteed to see alot of those. Don't forget the Warrant officers too.
You may find a list the rank structures off a Google search, on the branch's site, Wikipedia, etc.
-C/CMSgt Walker
Victor Flight Sgt.
I have put the Marine ranks in the OI so the basic cadets will not have a repeat of what happened last year. Last year none of the basic cadets knew the Marine ranks and were calling them by the wrong rank.
-C/1st Lt Woods
SET Officer
I think that should be told to the basics before encampment, so they already know the ranks on Day Zero.
Maybe like on a required knowledge sheet, or something.
-C/CMSgt Walker
Victor Flight Sgt.
We are not going to have a knowledge document that basics will be required to know before they go to encampment. Although this makes the flight staff job's easier, it negatively affects training. High-speed cadets will know it before encampment while low-speed cadets will not. We want everyone coming into encampment as equal as possible.
-C/Lt Col Feinstein
C/XO
Thanks for the clarification, sir. I think its good to know as staff though.
-C/CMSgt Walker
Victor Flight Sgt.
No problem. The OI should be sent out shortly.
-C/Lt Col Feinstein
C/XO
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ok thats weird, I can open the OI document but when I do nothing shows up. Could you possibly e-mail it out?
-C/CMSgt Faulks
It might be because you do not have MS Word '07. If you are using MS Word '03, then download this patch: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=941B3470-3AE9-4AEE-8F43-C6BB74CD1466&displaylang=en.
-C/Lt Col Feinstein
In regards to the OI it looks generally good. the formatting came up a little strange in my version of Open Office but I will double check it at school tomorrow where they have Microsoft Word. A few things to change and remember: For all pictures remember that there will not be color when you print so any color pictures will be a very vague gray-scale. Try to change all pictures that you can to either extremely simple or if possible outlines. also try to include only things they will use on a daily basis. The phonetic alphabet is important but it is not something that they will need right off the bat. Also although it is an interesting idea the customs and courtesies and uniform and appearance sections are both things that are taught by the staff to the cadets. there is no need for it to be listed in the OI all that will do is undermine the credibility of the flight staff. they can be taught directly later by the flight commanders. Next especially because it is a marine base, I think it may be beneficial to include the navy ranks. because the Marines are the subsidiary of the navy there are always navy people hanging around. Finally, under the general knowledge section, please add the safety pledge. they need to know this as well.
-C/1st Lt Zobel
Actually, the Safety Pledge was discontinued in December 2005. See the note from the national safety officer: http://members.gocivilairpatrol.com/safety/capsafe.cfm.
-C/Lt Col Feinstein
How do you open this? When I click on the link it brings up microsoft's home page.
-C/TSgt Brown
To download the OI all you have to do is open the "files" tab on the bottom of the page and then click on the NC-NATCAP 2009 Summer Encampment OI.doc hyperlink and save a copy to your computer. The link that I think you are talking about is a link for the patch to be able to open the document if you don't have Word 07. However, I have uploaded a copy of the OI in a "compatibility" mode which will allow you to open the file even if you don't have Word 07. If you are still having problems let me know.
-C/1st Lt Woods
Oh okay. Thank you sir.
-C/TSgt Brown
One suggestion: put the general knowledge section in bold print. That way the cadets see how important it is.
-C/CMSgt Faulks
As I was reviewing the OI, I noticed that the only required documentation to have on hand for cadets was the OI and the CAPID Card. What about the Form 60's and The MSA?
-C/Capt Padleckas, 9th CTS Comm.
Fixed. -C/Lt Col Feinstein
13.11 "The color of infinity: Light blue-pink with a purple hue." What the heck is that? Also, I agree with Lt Zobel that the phonetic alphabet isn't really that important.
As for the general knowledge section as a whole, is it going to be split up into chunks required for each day, or is it all going to be required on day 1?
-C/SMSgt Harford, 9th CTS 1st Sgt
Harford, The definition of infinity is steeped in CAP tradition and is critical to the cadets understanding of D&C. How else will the cadets know what to look at when we tell them to look at infinity? As to the phonetic alphabet; I think its importance is self explainatory. It is included in the AE modules and is critical for relaying messages via radio. It will definitely remain in the OI.
The general knowledge is not split up between days because we are going back to the traditional encampment system. The goal is for cadets to memorize as much as possible as soon as possible (ie the ideal would be to have memorized the entire book by the end of the first day).
-C/Capt Thomas, C/CD
I think the First Sergeant rank should be added to the list of cadet NCO ranks. Also, on page 12, section 8.6, third line down, the last word of that line should be "gender". And you may want to define how to keep your unworn uniforms inspection ready (i.e. on hangers, hangers facing left, uniforms facing forward, etc.) And I think you ought to add the airman's creed to the general knowledge section of the OI. The airman's creed embodies many of the values of Civil Air Patrol. It is one of the few things I remember from last year's OI. Overall though, I think the OI looks great!
-C/CMSgt Larson, 10th CTS 1st Sgt
The First Sergeant isn't an actual rank. We can't wear the 1Sgt diamonds untill 39-1 is updated.
Spelling mistake is fixed.
We will add barracks set up once we get an official look at the barracks.
Airmen's creed is added.
Thanks. The SET team worked hard on it.
C/Lt Col Feinstein
One more idea: I think the definition of teamwork needs to be added to the general knowlege section of the OI. "DEFINITION OF TEAMWORK: A group of individuals working together to achieve a common goal while putting aside personal desires and comforts for that team." Good job, SET team!
C/CMSGt Larson, 10th CTS 1st Sgt
Definition of teamwork has been added and a new OI has been added. A new one will be posted shortly with the barracks standards.
C/Lt Col Feinstein
a few quick things you have an entire page with "at ease" on it. see if you can cut a few words to fix that. also when printed the hospital corners diagram will be very shady and will take up large amounts of black ink. if nothing else it wouldn't be too hard to make a line drawing of this. I will also plea my case one last time in a hopefully clear manner. The OI is intended as a guideline by which cadets can run thier week. it can include basic knowledge such as CAP history or the Airmans creed that are anomolus in the encampment cirriculm but for things like proper reporting procedures, the phonetic alphabet, and how to properly address/respect a staff member/officer, they need to be taught by a staff member. They can read these and memorize them in any number of manuals and regulations. They come to encampment to learn them from us. they are too important to trust to being memorized by the cadets. In short the OI is for things that cannot be found in regulations/manuals that pertain directly to enampment.
C/1st Lt Zobel
Would it be better to bold the more essential items that need to be commited to memory, especially the stuff that they will be tested on?
C/SMSgt Logel
-When I was at the Naval Academy, we were given a sheet of things to learn (Rates). Most did not pertain at all to the Summer Seminar, but that wasn't the reason they were there…because seriously who needs to know the 5th law of the Navy (On the strength of one link in the cable, dependeth the might of the chain. Who knows when thou mayest be tested? so live that thou bearest the strain.) The reason that we learn the memory section of the OI is to help cadets learn to think under preasure. I could recite the 5th law of the navy forwards and backwards, but when it really mattered and two detailers were yelling at me, that was the true test of my knowledge. I had to cancel out their yelling, the threat of pushups etc…and just concentrate on the task at hand. That is the point of all this memory work, regardless of whether or not it pertains to Encampment.
C/Capt Thomas
Correct that is the kind of stuff you would put in the OI because it has no direct correlation to the cirriculum of the encmapment. however anything that pertains directly to what we will be teaching the cadets, other than basic knowledge, does not need to be in there. IE: Customs and courosies, phonetic alphabet, showing proper respect to a staff officer, or anything else that can be found in your garden variety regulation.
C/Capt Zobel
It is staying in.
C/Lt Col Feinstein
-Also, who really remembers anything that you are taught in a class when you are half asleep?..I mean seriously. If you put it in the book, and make them memorize it, and then tell it to them. Your teaching effectiveness just doubled. There is a reason for everything that we do.
C/Capt Thomas